Well it’s been close to a month steady now we’ve been working on the new version of  WebAPP. It’s still in Alpha stages, but getting close to Beta, and ready for testing.  Jos has taken on a huge task with this one, and I have tried to help out with some new things and whatever else I can. It’s kind of exciting to see some of this unfold, I do believe it is a BIG step towards version 1.0.  I’m not going to give away anything, but I do feel many WebAPP webmasters will be pleased with the results. 

When we begin Beta testing, we will be looking to translators to update and create language files for this new version, and hopefully keep them on board for the work on v1.0. There will be quite a few bug fixes, as well as new features and admin options.  One of my favorite changes is some new and updated images from Max in the graphics department, and a few I tossed in, that really doe’s give the script a fresh new look.

We still may be a bit away from Beta, but I feel the wait will be worthwhile. There will be some major changes to themes, but nothing that can’t be easily updated for those of you with your own custom themes.  I hope to have quite a few themes ready when release time comes. As I have been doing with the past few versions releases, and hope to keep many of those old WebAPP classics in play. And some new theme designs and concepts to keep pushing the envelope forward as I always do.

So keep your eyes open for Beta testing announcements, and get on board to help make this a super release!

Here’s a few examples of the On’s Network group using others WebAPP nicks to spam/promote their agenda, this time using my WebAPP nick.

These posts were NOT made by me.

As I’ve stated before in this/my blog, I don’t support or promote anything from the Network group, as their lack of ethics and low life behavior disgusts me. This kind of behavior is exactly why I resigned from this group of rip offs and liars. The examples in the below page links only prove my point.

On’s WebAPP Network’s promotional post using my WebAPP nick

another here

yet another

and Comment by GUEST on 2008-02-10 15:53:56

and another

and yet another

Here’s one that is clearly On, my2cents, the theme designer talks CMS security?, I find it funny a well known kiddie script hacker thinks he has some right to talk security, and do this under someone else’s nick, which he sought to have removed from his group. On has been caught hacking sites using the .org script and spamming them with links to HIS site, or threatening the site admin to change to HIS script or else. A shame this group can show no honesty in anything they do, and have gone on from editing users posts/work on their site, to posting with other WebAPP nicks to promote their own splinter group.

Now lets look at some of the names On and his Network have dug up to promote themselves and see if we actually believe these are the original WebAPP users, or just the Network pirates using the nicks of others to promote their site.

I find it sad this is the only way On finds to promote his site, pirating others nicks, and web-app.org listings. Not to mention making untruthful slanderous personal attacks on WebAPP developers NOT part of his group. All in all trying to deceive users into thinking he has more developers than there are working on what he claims is the only true WebAPP script.

I am proud to be a part of WebAPP at web-app.org, as we don’t use any of these unethical tactics.

What’s wrong with using your own nicks On/m On ty?

You and Jack tried to get me voted out of your group right before I resigned, yet you feel you can use my nick to promote yourselves. My nick hold more value than any of yours?

as posted by Monty/On at the netters site

Topic: Insecure themes-critical issues
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 Insecure themes-critical issues
 Posted on: 08/17/07 at 23:01:02 GMT

We have been scanning several external themes for newly discovered critical security issues and unfortunately and despite all the hard work that was put in creating those themes we must strongly advice you *not* to use the following themes with any WebAPP version up to 0.98:

1.) All themes signed at footer by “my2cents” and/or “bantychick”.
2.) ColorMe, Snazzy and SCBlue (also created by above developers but contributed to my site).

We would release more details concerning those issues after we make sure that all our users have removed those unsafe themes. Warm thanks to Monty53! (a WebAPP friend and a white hat hacker from Turkey) for notifying us about those issues.

Kind regards
On

 Maybe the themes Monty/On refers to are the old copies on HIS groups copycat ThemeAPP site that haven’t been patched yet. For a so called security expert, it’s taken quite a long time for Monty/On to wake up to this hole which he was told about, and chose to ignore. But then again, On uses his security alerts as a weapon against those he feels threatened by, even if they are false/outdated. I would recommend that anyone using any themes offered by the “Network” group to update them to themes with the patch for this issue. All of the themes I offer have been patched with the fix for this issue when it was discovered many moons ago.

Nothing was contributed to Monty’s/On’s site, and the original credits on the themes he names reflect that, unless they were altered by his team(pirated content).

As far as his so called theme security issues, my site is there, prove it Monty/On.

A shame Monty/On never took an interest in this work, or security of the script unless it was on HIS terms, and only has now to promote HIS agenda.

On’s quest to steal others work, remove the original authors credit’s and then claim they were stolen from him, and use them as his own continues. On you lost the right to use my work when you and Mr. Deth removed my credits from MY Beta’s, which none of YOUR team was involved in.

Don’t think your edited lies give you any rights to MY work On.

a small blurb from clearly edited posts/comments from the Network site.

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 Re: Color Me R Beta
 Posted on: 06/19/06 at 16:32:38 GMT
It’s better to point to yours, my2cents. Promoting each of our sites promotes the Network. PR grows as it spreads.
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 Re: Color Me R Beta
 Posted on: 06/19/06 at 17:13:18 GMT
I have a bordered one, and an outset one working can be seen at my site
and the zips have been updated with some more code and css fixes

If you’re not living life on the edge, you’re taking up too much room
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 Re: Color Me R Beta
 Posted on: 08/04/07 at 05:23:13 GMT

my2cents said:
you know how I am about credits Jos, you can point mine to our group site

Thanks.
Very good idea in did. Your wish is our command!
On

This thread is about the very first ColorMe(R) theme that was installed at the Network for the admin group to view, that was already in use at my site, and BetaAPP. Which was never released to the public until my credits and the credits of those involved where put in place.

On, didn’t I ask you to remove my name from your user database, when you asked for the same thing at .org? Why doe’s this post show me as an active user, when I haven’t logged into your site since I resigned?

Seems On and his group are back to playing with the credits on others work again(which they did to me long ago), and that includes edits and fabricating posts, using others usernames and editing comments to fit their needs/opinions.

I find it funny On pulls up a year old post to justify his theme team being useless/lazy, and using work of mine, I removed from his site, when Jack Deth removed my credits without any discussion at all.

Which in turn was the reason I resigned from that group along with the editing of posts/comments, to promote their(Ted’s and Jack’s) personal attacks, which (On)he then condoned as acceptable.

Funny I asked On to remove my name from his user database(when On asked for the same thing from us at .org and we complied), yet you still have some need to give the impression that I am still involved with your group? I guess I see why On refused now(always different rules/ethics for the Network group).

You nor anyone in your group, Mr. Monty53/On, have any rights to tamper with MY work, period. Let alone offer them as anything from YOUR group, which you have been doing since I left your site.

Why don’t you put Jack’s credits on my work like you did, when your group built your themeapp site clone after I resigned? Be very careful where you tread my boy…just shows how “original” your group really is.

 Just keep talking to yourself Monty53/On, even Jack and Ted don’t wanna chime in on your fake posts anymore.

 as posted on the Network site:

Copyrights violation- att. vendors and partners
 Posted on: 07/23/07 at 21:29:38 GMT
Hi!

It has come to our attention that a former WebAPP member has decided to start celebrating April fools at the middle of July by sending false claims to sites and partners claiming that she is the true owner of the WebAPP project.

To vendors and partners whom have been receiving any of those claims, we would suggest to double check whois records for site owners changes and see for your self that the person behind the claims (an American citizen with nothing but well documented criminal records) has actually bought her domain after she was expelled from the WebAPP project (or “resigned from the project” as claimed by her)

Thank you for your attention and our apology for the confusion created by this former WebAPP member.

On

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Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it.
Those who live in the past are already repeating it.
(free lessons in wisdom for chickens).

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 Re: Copyrights violation- att. vendors and partner
Posted on: 07/24/07 at 06:17:38 GMT

I wouldnt expect much more from this “ex member”… actually I expect about us much from her as I do from a heroin addict. I expect nothing.

aside from lies and deceit.

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 Re: Copyrights violation- att. vendors and partner
 Posted on: 07/24/07 at 06:40:22 GMT

Jos thought that after she bought the .org name she could control the WebAPP team. I had a boss like that once. He filed a termination form for me…

to make a long story short, that sorry ass ended up quitting and I got a promotion and raise.

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 Re: Copyrights violation- att. vendors and partner
 Posted on: 07/24/07 at 14:41:18 GMT

Sounds like the WebAPP Community…

That sorry ass ended up quitting, and the whole webapp community are about to be treated to a promotion in webapp quality and a raise in script security.
Not to mention less spam and crap.
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 Re: Copyrights violation- att. vendors and partner
 Posted on: 07/24/07 at 14:50:07 GMT

She can do whatever she likes, but when version 1.0 comes out she can go and start packing, this beauty is fully compatible for commercial usage. Not to mention that it goes 4-5 times faster the speed of script she stolen from webapp and changed to a security hazard.

Monty53/On’s group is now claiming some ownership rights to the WebAPP name, because why? Because On was the first to change the credits to his own? Well as I recall Ted was the first to do this, with HIS own project.

Who was it that created WebAPP?

Was it not Carter that first released WebAPP as we know it? That would make him the copyright holder, and no one else.

I would suggest to double check whois records for site owners changes and see for yourself that the person behind this statement in fact created his site in the same time frame attempting to pirate the WebAPP script. 

On is a well known kiddie script hacker and former “do nothing” security team member of web-app.org. On claimed he created his site because Carter had given control of web-app.org to Mossad, who he claimed took away all admin privileges to team members, and was offended by this. But yet On had no problem when his pirate buds tried to remove Jos as project manager, so these same pirates and himself could try and take control of the WebAPP team.

This group even went as far as to try and vote me out of the dev team because I would not give into a demand from Jack Deth to release my work with one of the “net” releases, even after being one of the most active coders/devs of the time frame. It was right after this I resigned, sickened the team would even listen to that Deth fool and his out and out rudeness, at this point it was quite clear that a power struggle was going on with all the foul mouthed attacks from Deth and Ted.

Seems to me WebAPP has had many spin offs and branches, none claiming to be the original except for this new claim by Monty53/On. Now a website with webapp in the name, gives you no ownership rights? Nor doe’s it matter what date that site was created. What matters is who created the original APP named WebAPP. Was that On, Ted, or Jack?. NO. Funny what Carter always had to say about this, is, WebAPP belongs to the community, not him or anyone else. Yet On has taken it upon himself to proclaim himself as some official owner of something he had no hand in creating. That doesn’t suprise me at all.

If anything is fact, it’s that the original project, created by Carter, is dead, with Carter’s withdrawel. What’s left is a few branches of developers doing different work with what used to be the WebAPP Project that was always hosted at web-app.org. I have no problem with the Network group doing their own work, but claiming anything they do is official or from the original developers isn’t a fact.

 On,Ted and Jack claim Jos/bantychick stole the webapp script from the Network, when in fact, the two who worked the most on the releases for that Network when I was there, were her and I.  Jos was the project manager up to this point, doing all final coding on all releases since 9.9.2.1.

WebAPP is an open source Program which can not be stolen, it’s code is open to anyone to use, but no one can claim to be the original creator but Carter.

 I was around and may have even suggested Jos talk to Carter when we left the Network group, (to be able to create without abuse and personal attacks that have nothing to do with furthering the script, and have had some history), to return to .org with Carter’s knowledge, approval and input.

 Anyone who was an admin at the Network site while I was there knows what I’m talking about, flat out personal attacks that without any merit or call took place. Making an issue of BetaAPP, where everyone in the group had access to submit changes, and only a few did, or even showed interest.

And now they claim they just negelected security because On was too busy on vacation?, and Ted wasn’t intesrested enough to get involved?, and Jack did what? And they blame that neglect on Jos? When On nor Ted nor Jack had any input on security, only Abywn.

This all coming from a site of a known hacker who uses his exploits of .org based sites to promote his own site., and leaves them spammed with links to HIS site or scares them into using HIS script.

Again, all in all, the original WebAPP project is dead and gone without Carter, what we have is a few branches of development giving users the choice in which they feel puts out the best APP for them. I don’t believe in fueling this WebAPP war, but I feel I must respond to the simple thoughts of the three voices (non original) at Network.

Well, well, well, seems the infamous Turkish hacker “m On ty53″ has been surfing my site. I have saved all documented hits from this user and they trace back to a Norway IP. Just so happens to be the same ISP On uses in Norway, isn’t that a coincidence. I find it odd “mOnty/On” has developed an interest in my site, since when he hacked .org, he blamed it on me, and never touched my site. Once again, more lies from the network as usual, funny they talk of peace, yet keep playing these games. They talk of ethics, yet clearly show they have none. They talk of original developers, yet no original developers are speaking for that site. Seems all they do is talk…

Some follow up to this story, seems the folks at Telnor having been monitoring this user, and have closed his account due to questionable behavior.

Now On is claiming .org members are hacking HIS site with the exact same behaviors he has used against .org since we walked away from his dictatorship and returned to .org. (most of us at .org, have no interest in his site or it’s doings) This is the exact reason we decided to leave On’s WebAPP site and rejoin .org, only at that time it was Jack and Ted doing the lies, rants, raves and personal attacks.

This is the Internet, we can all say whatever we like, it’s a question of proof, like mOnty/On’s recent ip addy change visible to even mOnty/On’s even most blind follower.

It’s a shame the mud On and his group of followers has dragged many of folks they used to call co-developers thru to promote his site as “the one and only”, when all it is, is just another branch, now labeled a hacker branch. I’ve watched On take codes posted on .org, and .org related sites, and claims them as his own ideas and gifts owned by him(and then claim they were stolen from him by Jos).

 WebAPP is about community, not one person’s personal opinion of another. Not about hacking sites to promote your own, which is unethical when you make some claim to be a security expert. If On is so righteous on his security quest, why doe’s he hide behind the monty53 name to make his exploits/attacks? ON has in many public sites challenged users to hack his site, even accused others wrongly, as he has now. And now he’s crying about it? If you were some kind of a saint On, why would your ISP close your account? If you were the security expert you claim to be, the so called “hackers” bothering your site wouldn’t be a problem, eh?

From the copycat ThemeAPP clone site

Psychological Issues with a former WebAPPer.
   Posted on: 04/07/07 at 01:44:42 EST

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It seems a former WebAPPer has issues with some themes he/she “believes” were authored by him/her being on this site…Since there is an issue of reliability with anything this former WebAPP member states, as well as too much proof this user stole code, themes, and templates which he removed the originating authors names from, there isnt much to discuss on the subject. As a WebAPP Member before any of these jokers who are spreading rumours and lies it is just another attempt by the spin-off jokers who are trying to give WebAPP A bad name with false releases and poor coding…

So Jack’s opinion is because he was there first, he is righteous in offering the work of others he sought to have removed from his “group”. And not only that, but steal the themeapp concept in general, but what can you expect from a self proclaimed lazy joke of a dev. And everyone wonders why the WebAPP project went dead for so many years, it’s because of ego driven theives like Jack. This man also pulled credits he had no right to touch, and thinks he has some right to judge others falsely so he can justify doing as he pleases and the flat out wrongs he has commited. Those of us that have dealt with this joker knows who has the psychological issues, even one of his own “co-developers” has called him a freak. This king of spin off - theft and his partners in crime are the ones giving WebAPP a bad name.

 If everyone could do what I did, it would have been done long before I did it, which it was not.

I find it funny, these jokers had no complaints about my credits or work while I was promoting On’s site. Yet after I walked away from that, they feel they have some right to judge me. Bias?

as posted from the netters site

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Re: the admin at wideopensores is a creep!
Posted on: 10/23/06 at 16:08:50 GMT

7.) Other funnies: exploiting of years of community work to promote one own sites (cheap PR, aye?) via the webapp script that was created by many people in many years. The excuse is some “new” themes. A member of this group was even “wise” enough to admit that he used DenDen’s theme as a template… something that did not prevent him from deleting his credits (placing his and jos there instead) and coming with a rude demand to have his credits on all webapp sites footers. A classic example of limitless rudness.

I am disgusted by On’s bold faced lie here, as noted in many posts on this site, the colorme(R) themes were based on the colorme theme from Jos.

Maybe On needs some english classes to understand the language properly. I dare On to show any proof to this claim he makes that I said I built the colorme(R) themes off a DenDen template, it’s just as I said, a bold faced lie. If that proof comes from his site or any sister site, it will be considered a lie just as his statement in the above quoted post. As he and his crew at net are known to edit/delete comments and posts of others to reflect his own agenda, posts are owned by the poster, not On or any of his stooges

Yes, when I first started working on themes, DenDen’s css file was used as a template to make over 100 other templates that I created all with different styles from DenDen’s design. I got bored with the simple style changes as I had taken those style examples about as far they could go. So I decided to start working on theme concepts of my own, actually something I had always dabbled in.

The colorme(R) themes were complete before On’s net site even opened, and done while working with Jos on finishing up the colorme theme and working at BetaAPP in early 2006. On did not have a choice about my footer credits when I brought this work to his net site, I had already made up my mind because of another site I ran across with my theme work up for download, credited to someone else. There was some pissing and moaning from Jack and Ted about the credits, and the credit to the corner code source, Stu Nicholl’s. Because everyone(admins) agreed the focus was to be WebAPP, not outsiders, Stu’s credits in the footer were removed. Which I did not have a problem with because his name/links were all over my ThemeAPP site at the time, and as long as my credits/link remained, the source was properly credited by me.

On nor anyone in the net group can claim any part of this work, or claim any part of it came from any other source than what is credited in the theme files themselves. Anything else is just bold faced lies and opinions to help promote the theft of my work still used by his site and sister sites as justified. Which it is NOT!

Other funnies: exploiting of years of community work to promote one own sites (cheap PR, aye?) via the webapp script that was created by many people in many years.

And this is exactly what On tried to accomplish with HIS bold faced lies spammed across the internet.

and coming with a rude demand to have his credits on all webapp sites footers. A classic example of limitless rudness.

By the way, check the footer on this Wordpress theme, it has a credit to the theme designer. This issue isn’t about rudeness, it’s about what the “net” group demands.

I never demanded anything, my themes were never offered as part of any core code release, and as my creation I have the right to put my credits where ever I please. Seems the 3 stooges were the ones demanding the credits were removed, wait they didn’t demand, they removed them without any disussion at all. It shows me how much these 3 truly know about open source designs, footer credits on open source design work is widely accepted across the internet. Yet this leaderless group have done nothing but fabricate excuses why they have some right to do the whatever they please. They claim there was some vote, yes one was started, but when they saw their vote was out numbered, they started bring in more dev’s as admins to help push their agenda forward. Another thing never voted on or approved by the admin group.

Funny this exploit was discussed way back at the end of 9.9.3 Beta testing when On brought his doorman hack to be put in the script. Yet On and his alter ego m On ty are claiming this is some new discovery, that should be only credited to them. Yes I’m sure there may new ways to use this exploit, but I would hardly call it anything new. I see it as just another promotional attack against anything else WebAPP that isn’t controlled by the net group of renegades. I’ve lost interest in their babbling which is filled with so much fabricated material it’s a joke to even read. I don’t understand why this so called great group of original developers can’t just keep their opinions to themselves. And let their work speak for them(o yea, they haven’t done any). Instead of the constant personal attacks and foul mouthed childish name calling they have spread across the internet about anyone they see as a threat.

So what should we think of a former WebAPP admin who uses a known hole and a proxied ip, and known alias to spam a site he feels threatened by with links to his own. Or even using someone elses names at a digg site to spam and promote his own site. Is this cunning and smart, or low life unethical, you make the call.

I do find it funny this group claims anything was stolen from them by web-app.org. First of all you have to have had some input, to have something stolen. None of the 3 so called developers claiming this as a fact, ever worked on the script while it was being advanced at net, before developers broke off and started moving back to org. Yet all the developers who broke off from net, and removed their content, had it stolen by this group of proud pirates. They seem to love using the word fake and spin-off which is very much what they are handing out in their own script/stolen content offerings.

as posted from the netters site

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Re: the admin at wideopensores is a creep!
Posted on: 10/24/06 at 08:11:11 GMT

one thing I MUST say.my2cents never committed even 2 cents worth of work to the webapp project.Him and banty were butt buddies, and he should never have been an admin here or anywhere else.If you look closely you will see that there is always claims of a “Major CSS Upgrade” by my1/2incher…  meanwhile he did absolutely nothing.The CSS Upgrade that they are attributing to him started years ago with the initial use of styles.css in the theme.Next issue, his so-called themes.  Again here he did nothing as well.
I see claims of him being a “CSS Wizard” while he scammed code from a real CSS Wizard and dropped it into the WebAPP themes based on DenDens updated themes…
Where is DenDens credits? You know, I have done more with themes and CSS for my own sites and not tried to be the great Themester that this loser tries to be and kept it all quiet.copy/pasting someones work into a styles.css file doesnt make you a “CSS Master” it makes you a pathetic fool who likes to take credit for others great work.  I have to give him the one credit, he did give credit to the CSS King he used the code from, but why did he delete DenDens credits and the other credits which were in the file?  Because he is a punk, thats why. Now where were we?
undeserving of admin
useless as a themer ( a copy/paster)yeah I would say he is just inadequate all around.

Jack proved how much he could be trusted when he started editing posts of others with his own words and opinions. And now these wonderful netters are claiming that because they have posts at their site that can confirm their lies, it is all gospel. Jack leads the way with Ted in the childish name calling and personal attacks that were a big reason why I left the net group. Jack and Ted seemed to think that they were in charge, when it was quite clear no one was in charge, and no one made an effort to take stance against the flat out rudeness and personal attacks of Jack and Ted. Now even On has joined in on the personal attacks, (not to mention his hacking escapades), and yet he wants to talk about ethics, when he showed a lack of with many of his actions.

 I have to give him the one credit, he did give credit to the CSS King he used the code from, but why did he delete DenDens credits and the other credits which were in the file?

Some typical Jack Deth lies, funny when I brought the colorme(R) theme to .net, Jack was the first one to complain about Stu Nicholl’s credits being in the footers with mine, Ted was second. Stu’s credits were removed because of this tantrum he and Ted had about it. Now he claims I left the credits out, I’ve always given Stu due credit for things I’ve used of his. My credits were always there until Deth removed them (and he thinks he has a right to judge), when he couldn’t get the group to vote me out. There was no issue with my theme footer credits until Jack and Ted thought they had a right to push the issue, which they did not.

Why did I delete DenDen’s credits? Simple answer, they were never in the files I worked with.  DenDen had nothing to do with anything involved in this work, and credit was given to those who were involved. Jack was upset his name was removed form the style.css credits for supposedly adding a class which was already in use (.text) (so is this a bug, or just a screwup?). If he was the theme/html guru he claims to be, he would have known this. The files Jack got at net for the colorme(R) themes did not have any credits besides the people who worked on them and Stu Nicholl’s.

 DenDen nor Jack had NO input on any of them.

The CSS Upgrade that they are attributing to him started years ago with the initial use of styles.css in the theme.

This must have been started when Jack got his name added to the style.css file for a class that already exsisted. A shame no one ever picked up on it and finished it, until Jos and I did, and I have the files and records to prove it.

Now where were we?
undeserving of admin
useless as a themer ( a copy/paster)

Funny I had admin status and was asked to be the theme team leader by On, something I accepted, but with no input from the team, seemed to me to be pretty uesless. The only input Jack had was to blame the themes for him not being able to make another admin’s site work with them. When in fact, it had nothing to do with the themes, but then this “original developer” should have know this, but he didn’t.

I have to thank Jack for inspiring me to do the css menus tho, he ran his mouth about taking on this back when 9.9.3 was over, and never lifted a finger.  So when he started showing his attitude to me, there was no better reason to make him eat his own words and promises. I actually did him one better, buy adding the snazzy menu tabs as well. All of which can be seen at HIS fake, spinoff, themeapp site, as he still uses the work he claims is just cut and paste which he stole from BetaAPP and my ThemeAPP site.

This is exactly what I expect from Jack, he is the reason I never got involved with the WebAPP team, and I knew we would have conflicts at net. His cockiness and rudeness has always been a sore spot to me, I don’t treat people this way, and I don’t expect to be treated this way. His mouth(emails) is also the reason why Carter walked away from WebAPP and gave the .org site to Jos.

I see claims of him being a CSS Wizard

Is that a claim I make Jack? All I claim is not to be lazy, unlike yourself.
What about you claiming to be an “original developer”? Funny, in all the admin forums at .org, it’s posted everywhere you know NOTHING about perl. Exactly what part of WebAPP did you develop Jack? Exactly what were your responablities/title at .org when you were there Jack? Couldn’t I make those same “do nothing” claims about yourself?

You know, I have done more with themes and CSS for my own sites and not tried to be the great Themester that this loser tries to be and kept it all quiet.

Yea, one thing Jack is known for, keeping quiet.
Is that why your theme site is full on MY work Jack? And this is not the colorme(R)themes that were removed from .net when I resigned, these are themes that you feel you have some right to offer because of why? Your too lazy to do anything yourself?

 I’m sure Jack’s lies will continue, and each time he sticks his foot in his mouth, I’m gonna make sure to shove it down his throat. I’m also sure Jack is the one On referred to when he said other admins were complaining about my name being over exposed. Altho with the lies and dishonesty On has pulled lately it’s very hard to believe anything he says also. My reason for posting this in the first place was to respond to the lies that continue to surface from this group. And to make end users aware of the second hand copies of my work being offered by this so called developer, in my eyes, thief.